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Post by sanins192 » 22 Feb 2008, 20:37

I just watched a program about the OpenSkies agreement and how this will affect the costs of London-America travel. There was an interview with Willie Walsh, similar to the one you will find here.

One point that I was interested in was when he talked about an 'Open Aviation Area', similar to the OpenSkies agreement but allowing British carriers to operate US domestic flights.

How do you feel about this proposal? Would you fly BA if they offered regional flights within the US?
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Post by caps1237 » 22 Feb 2008, 20:52

I'd fly them in a heartbeat. As long as the service is the usual one they provide, and the prices are comparable, I could actually see BA being my carrier of choice sine I'm not exactly devoted to anyone right now.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 22 Feb 2008, 21:10

Haha of course I wouldn't fly them and nor would most Americans.
They'd see "British Airways" and think... that must be going to British (I know but that's how dumb we are) and wouldn't even give them a chance.

The US carriers are in enough pain, the LAST thing we need is more competition.
Now if we're talking about foreign owned US carriers like BA owning 50% of AA that would be ok.
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Post by sanins192 » 22 Feb 2008, 21:55

This could also mean KLM flying domestic US routes if the plan somehow involves other European carriers. I'm sure you wouldn't mind them, Nick.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 22 Feb 2008, 22:07

It would depend on the aircraft type, BA's shorthaul fleet and KL's shorthaul fleet is nothing like their longhaul fleets.
I probably wouldn't actually.
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Post by sanins192 » 22 Feb 2008, 22:11

I suppose it depends on how seriously the airlines want to capitalise on the new routes. They might buy a new short haul fleet, but this is unlikely unless they want to be competing heavily against the US carriers.

I think it will be hard for BA to crack the US market, as most passengers would prefer to fly their home airline, which would most likely have lower fares. I think BA or KL or whoever would still make a tidy profit out of the people that do fly with them though.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 22 Feb 2008, 22:14

If they want part of the pie just invest in the American carriers and codeshare extensively like NW/KL in Europe.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 22 Feb 2008, 22:19

Most European airlines aren't looking to enter the U.S. domestic market for the purpose of competing for domestic passengers, but to ensure feed for their international routes.

As always, I'll put up a link to my paper that's too long for anyone to seriously read and understand all the issues: http://www.simairline.net/bios/transatl ... ations.pdf
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Post by sanins192 » 22 Feb 2008, 22:26

I'm sure Willie Walsh would like to have a go and see if he could compete on some of the more major domestic routes; JFK-LAX, ATL-JFK etc.

I cannot really see this happening to the extent that he hopes it will.
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Post by detpilot » 27 Feb 2008, 23:24

As always, I'll put up a link to my paper that's too long for anyone to seriously read and understand all the issues:


I got through about the 10th page, good stuff. Although it looks more like a masters thesis than an undergraduate paper...
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 28 Feb 2008, 01:24

Thanks for actually going through it! Impressively, 40% of the words are in the footnotes!

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Post by Pierre Mare » 28 Feb 2008, 12:19

sanins192 wrote:One point that I was interested in was when he talked about an 'Open Aviation Area', similar to the OpenSkies agreement but allowing British carriers to operate US domestic flights.

How do you feel about this proposal? Would you fly BA if they offered regional flights within the US?


British Airways/Comair flies domestic flights in South Africa. I know that lots of people make use of this, and what is the most shocking is that their prices are often cheaper than some of the local operators.
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Post by detpilot » 03 Mar 2008, 23:02

Thanks for actually going through it! Impressively, 40% of the words are in the footnotes!


Yeah, I noticed a lot of footnotes. I'm sure you did well on it, you definitely know your stuff. I'm taking the last course in the Aviation curriculum now, and it's a airline management/business class. You and Nick would fit right in; I'm doing good in the class, but I'm more of an operations guy 8)
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