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Post by sanins192 » 14 Nov 2007, 18:28

Lets foucs on what makes our VAs special, and the fact that we can freely fly between countries on different airlines. Perhaps include more of our screenshots and try and have more focus on our airlines, like the VA Spotlight part. This is what makes us stand out from a lot of other VAs and real world counterparts, so I think we should show this off.
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Post by Sallu » 14 Nov 2007, 20:06

do u think aaron will take all suggesions on this page into consideration

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Post by sanins192 » 14 Nov 2007, 20:39

Yes. He reads through all of the topics when he has time, and I assume he will take into account all of the things we have discussed here.
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Post by Sallu » 14 Nov 2007, 22:23

ok, nice to hear that

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Post by Blackbird » 14 Nov 2007, 23:35

It's always helpful for people like Aaron who are making a magazine, to hear some suggestions. And maybe not every single one will be included in de magazine in the future (because when you have a lot of idea's, some will be crappy) it's extremely helpful. I strongly believe that Aaron will do something with our suggestions.

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Post by Northwestdc9 » 15 Nov 2007, 06:57

Sallu wrote:do u think aaron will take all suggesions on this page into consideration
While he doesn't read every post on the boards (I do with the exception of screenshots where I don't look anymore) I know for a fact he's read these.
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Post by seahawks7757 » 15 Nov 2007, 07:00

i think another idea should be a pilot colum every month. Ask every pilot or take volunteers to do a column everymonth. I would be willing to do that. Just an idea. Get the pilots involved in it. Also the columns could be about what we think may go wrong/what is wrong with aviation now?
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Post by Sallu » 15 Nov 2007, 08:04

another good idea. i will support too. I think it is time that Latitude goes through a complete change in 2008. We should see a new magazine with the same name in Jan.

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Post by seahawks7757 » 15 Nov 2007, 08:34

hell i'm willing to volunteer to do the first column. Of u guys want me to just PM me.
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Post by Sallu » 15 Nov 2007, 08:44

Fine, take the first column but only if Aaron excepts it

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Post by seahawks7757 » 15 Nov 2007, 08:57

Sallu wrote:Fine, take the first column but only if Aaron excepts it

huh? I know u dont mean to sound like a jerk but a good tip is to use smiles so people will understand that.
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Post by Sallu » 15 Nov 2007, 11:44

maybe next time

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Post by Pierre Mare » 15 Nov 2007, 12:22

I love the Latitude magazine. I check in every day from the 1st of the month to see when the mag is available to download. I enjoy all the articles and every other section in the mag. It is very informative and I learn things every month from it.

Sallu said that he sees no point in the TAIL SECTION. I find it interresting enough to keep. The quiz is also cool.

caps1237 suggested a section on "behind the scenes" so that we as pilots can see what goes into this organisation as a whole, and also what goes into compiling this mag. I'm all for it.

seahawks7757 suggested a column about
what we think may go wrong/what is wrong with aviation now

That is a good idea.

One of my own suggestions which kinda links up with seahawks7757's suggestion is to have a column that review/look at previous airline disasters, which were/are "famous", and tells us why the accident happened and what could be done to avoid something similar from happening in the future. I'm specifically thinking about accidents that happened due to PILOT ERROR. This could help us all to become better and safer pilots ourselves. I got this idea from another website that has a similar idea, of which our editorial staff might get help from to compile this column. Check it our http://www.airdisaster.com/

I think what we need to remember is that this is a magazine just like any other (not in quality, because Latitude is MUCH better, but in format), where even the seemingly trivial "tail section" contributes to a good mag. How often do we buy a magazine that we can say "I liked every single page of it"? Not everyone likes everything in a magazine, although I do in Latitude, but we need to appreciate all the work, time and effort that goes into this mag.

I'm thinking of things that I myself might contribute to a column in the mag, in the future.

Thanks to our editorial staff and management for a fantastic website, magazine and Virtual Airline experience. SimAirline.net is the best!!!

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Post by Gregg James » 15 Nov 2007, 16:37

How about a monthly article focusing on a certain type of aircraft that is in the SimAirline.net fleet?

Maybe merging the management favorite airplane article of November's issue with the VA of the month or hub of the month articles that we run now.

Just an idea.
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Post by Sallu » 15 Nov 2007, 20:05

Good Idea James But I think those type of articles wont be something new for us. I mean, we can find stuff like that anywhere.

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Post by Aaron Robinson » 20 Nov 2007, 03:43

First, a reminder of some history. Why did we start Latitude? A few reasons, from the January Latitude:
Latitude was created to replace the old ‘Message from Aaron,’ improving its attractiveness while adding a fun new product to the organization. The Virtual Airline of the Month has also been transformed into the ‘VA Spotlight.’ Hopefully this will be something that pilots can enjoy and use to learn more about the airline industry and about SimAirline.net.

And reiterated in the November Latitude:
Our first goal was to create a new and enjoyable medium for communicating the issues facing SimAirline.net. Beyond that, we wanted to encourage a deeper understanding and discussion of some long-term issues facing our airlines and the industry in general.


Several times I have asked for feedback on what to offer in Latitude, the issues raised in it, and your help to continue Latitude:

January Viewpoint: "We have not yet finalized what Latitude will offer, so the content you see here will undoubtedly be evolving over the next few months. Please let me know what you’d like to see in Latitude..."

February Viewpoint: "The response so far to the first issue has been outstanding, and it’s very exciting to see such positive feedback so far." This feedback was positive reaction to what we had created, but very little thoughts on what else pilots wanted to see.

Ever since the first issue of Latitude, I asked in The Tail Section: "Content submissions for The Tail Section are encouraged and should be directed to latitude@simairline.net."

By April, it was apparent that Latitude required a major time commitment, so additional writers beyond just me would be needed. While Ali, Nick, and Mark have been kind enough to lend their time and talents to writing several articles for us, unfortunately no one else has. In an effort to increase discussion about Latitude and new contributors, the May Viewpoint included: "New this month to Latitude is the Mailbag, where you can share your thoughts on Latitude articles or issues with the rest of the SimAirline.net community. I hope you enjoy this new addition and take full advantage of it. As always, I strongly encourage you to let me know what new articles and features you’d like to see in both SimAirline.net and Latitude in particular. I hope you’ll consider participating in the production of the magazine, or on our management team as well."

The original Mailbag included three past letters from pilots, reproduced publicly so they could be replied to. It did not continue into the next month due to lack of received mail. Therefore, the July Viewpoint contained the following news: "Latitude is not meant to be just for pilots to read, but also to discuss and learn from. To that end, the Message Boards have a new section devoted to discussion of Latitude articles. I hope you take the time to visit it and share your thoughts and opinions there."

Continuing the theme, this section hasn't really worked, despite the efforts of some like Dennis. So, I tried again in September: "As a new extension for The Tail Section, I thought it would be fun to have a monthly trivia contest about SimAirline.net. Three questions will be found on the last page of each Latitude, with one fleet question, one flights question, and one miscellaneous question. One answer can be submitted per person through a special topic in the Latitude Discussion section on the Message Boards, with the winners to be announced in the following month’s issue. I hope you enjoy this new feature, and I’m always interested in hearing your ideas for more."

Now on to what's been said in this topic. The biggest and most difficult purpose of Latitude is to provide something for pilots to learn more about the airline industry, which is much more than just the flying aspect. My background is mostly in airline strategy and history, and most of Latitude reflects that.

As demonstrated above, I have tried repeatedly to raise the profile of Latitude in the organization to something larger and something that draws discussion. However this clearly hasn't happened, making writing articles (as indicated in our letter to you) disappointing and feeling like a waste of time.

The most vocal feedback I'm receiving here seems to indicate that we should move to things more specific towards the flying end or towards less airline-specific issues. My question is, why? There are many excellent resources in the flightsim community that focus on this, while there are very few that focus on airline issues.

After reading all these replies, what's probably the most disappointing is that opinions and offers for help are only coming out now, after eleven issues, rather than after two or three. I honestly don't understand why; I repeatedly asked for these since the beginning, and what's being suggested is a major change in direction. Not receiving these opinions until now does indeed make the first eleven issues feel like wasted time and effort that could have been better spent elsewhere.

Please continue to provide your feedback, but understand that for those that have made Latitude possible so far, there's a sour taste in our mouth.
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Post by seahawks7757 » 20 Nov 2007, 04:08

well sorry Aaron i havn't gotten a chance to read all the past issues so i had no idea as i just came here in September. Even though it says July i got Heavely involved in September
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Post by Sallu » 20 Nov 2007, 11:14

i have read all the editions of Latitude and gave my advice in the beginning of this topic itself. I understand how difficult it is to do what Aaron is doing. I really appreciate him. I will continue my feedback.

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Post by sanins192 » 20 Nov 2007, 18:41

Aaron Robinson wrote:Not receiving these opinions until now does indeed make the first eleven issues feel like wasted time and effort that could have been better spent elsewhere.


I totally disagree with that comment. Maybe we are looking at this from the wrong angle. You asked for recommendations on what else could be introduced, and if you received very few replies, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are not bothering to reply. It could be looked at from the angle that Latitude did not need any improvement, so this is why you received very few replies.

Every time a new Latitude is published all I hear from people on the boards is praise and thanks. I was not here when the very first Latitude was published, so I don't know what the 'Message from Aaron' was about. But what I do realise is that I have learned a lot from Latitude, including how our VAs operate and information about real life airlines.

I think you should have a major look at how Latitude is run Aaron. If you feel you are 'wasting' time on writing this and no one is reading it, find a way around. I personally believe Latitude is one of simairline's assets, and I would sincerely miss it. But seriously, just take a few steps back and see if it is worth it for you.
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Post by Sallu » 20 Nov 2007, 18:53

What Sanins said is god for argumental sake but as a matter of fact, Latitude needs a lot of improvement. What Aaron has to think is whether it is worth improving it or not

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