COA21 - EGCC-KEWR

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COA21 - EGCC-KEWR

Post by Garyck » 10 Sep 2009, 07:00

I planned to fly this route again as the last attempt ended up with me canx the flight, this second flight wasn't much better, the gitlfriends hairdrier overheated and tripped the electrics on the house.

But for your enjoyment...............And mine, here's some that i managed to take before pc switched off. 3rd time lucky I hope

Lineup and wait
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... Luneup.jpg

Gear Up
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... akeoff.jpg

Turnout from EGCC
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... urnout.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... ground.jpg

Over Liverpool heading for next waypoint
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... verLPL.jpg

At CRZ, Well over the atlantic - Nice to see AI traffic, It's the same flight as me COA21 :D
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... OA21_1.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... /COA_2.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... OA21_3.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... OA21_4.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp22 ... OA21_5.jpg

Aaron - Will you please consider one or some for the Gallery
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Post by Samuel Arnold » 10 Sep 2009, 07:38

Nice set, Gary.
Looks like you didn't walk away and find it in a holding pattern this time!

Just a tip; the first 3 shots would be better on the other side, where the sun is shining on the aircraft.
And your cruise shots a doubled up a bit, they seem to be the same angle.
What was your altitude relative the the AI? In theory, you should be 2000ft above of below him for safety.
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Post by Garyck » 10 Sep 2009, 08:40

Samuel Arnold wrote:your cruise shots a doubled up a bit, they seem to be the same angle.
What was your altitude relative the the AI? In theory, you should be 2000ft above of below him for safety.
I tried to get different angles, but another downside to fs2004 meant I couldn't do it. The AI was .4 miles away and initially was 2000ft lower, but i reduced the height difference to 1200 to get the shots.

It took nearly 2 hours to catch up with the AI................ The AI run to a real time flight plan, I was late on departure, as there was a long wait for the active, does that mean I was flying to fast? How do you decided the correct crz speeds?

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Post by Samuel Arnold » 10 Sep 2009, 09:30

Garyck wrote:I tried to get different angles, but another downside to fs2004 meant I couldn't do it. The AI was .4 miles away and initially was 2000ft lower, but I reduced the height difference to 1200 to get the shots.

It took nearly 2 hours to catch up with the AI... The AI run to a real time flight plan, I was late on departure, as there was a long wait for the active, does that mean I was flying to fast? How do you decided the correct cruise speeds?
What sort of angles can you achieve in FSX that FS9 can't? Got any examples?
What I meant, was to take one or two nice angles at cruise, then some later with different scenery or lighting.

Hmm, you probably were flying a bit too fast. If you took off 15 minutes after the AI, you'd be flying about M0.05 too fast if it took you 2 hours to catch it.
Were you going about M0.78?
Try flying at M0.73 or 0.74. You'll find the flight is a more realistic duration, and you use less fuel.

As for altering your altitude just for a photo opportunity... not a good look.
You shouldn't be that close to AI, and I only ever find myself that close if the AI are going the opposite direction on the same flight path.
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Post by Garyck » 10 Sep 2009, 10:43

Samuel Arnold wrote: What sort of angles can you achieve in FSX that FS9 can't? Got any examples?
What I meant, was to take one or two nice angles at cruise, then some later with different scenery or lighting.

Hmm, you probably were flying a bit too fast. If you took off 15 minutes after the AI, you'd be flying about M0.05 too fast if it took you 2 hours to catch it.
Were you going about M0.78?
Try flying at M0.73 or 0.74. You'll find the flight is a more realistic duration, and you use less fuel.

As for altering your altitude just for a photo opportunity... not a good look.
You shouldn't be that close to AI, and I only ever find myself that close if the AI are going the opposite direction on the same flight path.
I pc switched off so couldn't get other images, I no longer have FSX on my PC, but there is a spot view on FSX that allows you to use the arrows to move the the camera anywhere around the outside of the aircraft.

With AI traffic, what is the situation if you find yourself on the same route as I was? Do I then have to file a new route while in the air?

Sorry fot the 'bad' images of both aircraft, I thought it was being creative.

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Post by Aaron Robinson » 10 Sep 2009, 11:43

Garyck wrote:Aaron - Will you please consider one or some for the Gallery
Will do, thanks.
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Post by Samuel Arnold » 10 Sep 2009, 12:45

Garyck wrote:I no longer have FSX on my PC, but there is a spot view on FSX that allows you to use the arrows to move the the camera anywhere around the outside of the aircraft.
I see. That would be handy, but most decent screenshots and real-world photos have the aircraft as the centre subject, as FS9 allows.
Garyck wrote:With AI traffic, what is the situation if you find yourself on the same route as I was? Do I then have to file a new route while in the air?
No. You simply fly 2000 feet above or below the other traffic, i.e. AI is at FL340, you fly at FL320 or 360.

Check out some of my shots that involve AI in-flight:
Virgin Blue 737, 4000 ft above me
LAN 767, didn't notice he was there
KLM 747, 3000 ft above
Swiss A340, parallel runways
SWEfly 767, climbing above me
EVA 777, cruising 2000 ft above
JAL Cargo 747, parallel runways
Alitalia MD-82, coming straight at me

Generally I try to avoid most of these situations, just try to get some distance between us.
But it's cool to fly along with another aircraft, providing it's safe.
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Post by Garyck » 10 Sep 2009, 13:22

I like these camera angles, But can't seem to get them in FS9..... Whats keys are you using?

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Post by FJ flyer » 10 Sep 2009, 20:32

Samuel Arnold wrote:What was your altitude relative the the AI? In theory, you should be 2000ft above of below him for safety.
I was talking to a pilot the other day and he said that if you had special traffic avoidance equipment (probably TCAS, not sure) and you were above FL290 you can decrease the spacing to 1000 feet. That's in New Zealand however, so I'm not sure about other countries.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 10 Sep 2009, 20:49

RVSM (Reduced Vertical Separation Minimums?) were introduced a few years ago. 1000 ft., I believe?
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Post by Samuel Arnold » 10 Sep 2009, 22:21

Garyck wrote:I like these camera angles, But can't seem to get them in FS9..... Whats keys are you using?
I think you are confused by my titles.
I am the aircraft in the foreground of the shots (Asiana and Continental).
Do you use a pivot switch on your joystick/yoke to pan views, or do you use the keyboard's number pad?
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Post by RatherBFlyin » 10 Sep 2009, 22:25

RVSM airspace is typically only available where there is radar coverage. However, with the new ADS-B equipment becoming more widespread, aircraft are able to provide more accurate position reports to not only ATC, but each other as well.

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Post by Tom Alder » 10 Sep 2009, 22:29

Good shots there Gary, and also Samuel.
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Post by Garyck » 11 Sep 2009, 06:07

Samuel Arnold wrote:
Garyck wrote:I like these camera angles, But can't seem to get them in FS9..... Whats keys are you using?
I think you are confused by my titles.
I am the aircraft in the foreground of the shots (Asiana and Continental).
Do you use a pivot switch on your joystick/yoke to pan views, or do you use the keyboard's number pad?
:oops: Never thought of using the pivot button on my joystick, I had been using the keys. :oops:

At least I know how to get the shots now. Sorry

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