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Question about Regionals

Post by nwa1819 » 09 Jul 2008, 21:39

Which regional airlines do you think are currently and in the future going to be the best. (Ex. wont go out of business, will still have lots of flights etc.) And which do you think dont have a good future? (ex. shutting down, losing contracts?)

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Post by frogdude4993 » 09 Jul 2008, 22:30

Good question. Regional airliners are the worst as far as job security I THINK. I do know that Comair is one of the worst but I'm not sure if they're "going down hill" per sê.

I'm not sure if that helps a lot...
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Post by Mr. Boeing » 10 Jul 2008, 01:13

I don't think SkyWest is going anywhere soon. They have contracts with three airlines (that I know of: Midwest, Delta, United) and have a huge fleet of regional jets and props. Atlantic Southeast only flies for Delta, but I think they merged or were bought by SkyWest, so they'll be ok.
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Post by frogdude4993 » 10 Jul 2008, 01:16

Yeah I've heard Midwest is one of the best.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 10 Jul 2008, 01:39

They are but like everyone they're bleeding money like all hell.

Safest: Skywest, Mesaba, Horizon
Middle: Pinnacle/Colgan, ExpressJet, ASA, Compass, Republic/Shuttle America/Trans States, American Eagle, others
Worst: Mesa/Go!/Air Midwest (by far), Comair, Go-Jet, Air Wisconsin
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Post by seahawks7757 » 10 Jul 2008, 03:20

Doing great: Horizon. Expanding service and expanding there fleet to all Q400's withing the next 15 months or so.


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Post by NWADC9 » 10 Jul 2008, 06:29

Northwestdc9 wrote:Air Midwest
Very much so since they're gone as of 10 days ago :P

SkyWest and Horizon are fo sho. Both aren't going anywhere, and their clients love 'em.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 10 Jul 2008, 14:28

Northwestdc9 wrote:Middle: Pinnacle/Colgan, ExpressJet, ASA, Compass, Republic/Shuttle America/Trans States, American Eagle, others
Worst: Mesa/Go!/Air Midwest (by far), Comair, Go-Jet, Air Wisconsin
-Why is ExpressJet not in the safest category? They just locked themselves back in with Continental on a long contract.
-Shouldn't you group SkyWest and ASA together?
-Trans States is not part of the Republic group. However, Chautauqua is.
-You left Freedom out of the Mesa group.
-Air Midwest is ceasing operations, so they shouldn't be on this list.
-GoJet is a Trans States subsidiary.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 10 Jul 2008, 15:58

ExpressJet has their branded-ops, which isn't profitable. That doesn't help, if they were all CO, they'd be a lot safer.

ASA and Skywest while owned by the same holding company should just be merged together.

Ah, it's those two I always get mixed up. Both should be on middle ground.

Freedom... another one I always miss. Probably slightly better off than Mesa but since it's a Mesa Group airline still in bad shape.

Air Midwest while ceasing is still a regional and part of Mesa, that's why it's there.

That's right, GoJet and Trans States. Both probably on the lower portion of middle ground for now.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 10 Jul 2008, 16:15

Northwestdc9 wrote:ExpressJet has their branded-ops, which isn't profitable. That doesn't help, if they were all CO, they'd be a lot safer.
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Northwestdc9 wrote:ASA and Skywest while owned by the same holding company should just be merged together.
Both exist together to allow for lower costs and to get around scope clause issues so SkyWest Holdings can diversify its revenue sources.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 10 Jul 2008, 17:14

You know I remember a reason on Skywest / ASA not merging that had to do with unions but didn't remember exactly what it was. Thank you for correcting me there.

Anyway, none of them are very safe with the RJ being very costly under $140 barrel oil and the legacies cutting domestic capacity, most of which so far has been regional flying or short haul routes. Not good for anyone these days.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 10 Jul 2008, 18:33

Forgot to add: I personally think SkyWest and the Republic group (Chautauqua/Republic/Shuttle America) are the best off. SkyWest has arguably the best reputation overall, while Republic is well-diversified (American, Continental, Delta, Frontier disappearing, United, US Airways) and is the most focused on larger RJ flying, which is where the regional airline industry is going.

I definitely agree that Horizon and Mesaba are top-notch (somewhat biased, I was just at Mesaba HQ), but the drawback is that there's a little more risk just because they're only aligned with a single airline. I would add Air Wisconsin to the same level (also somewhat biased) of quality, but with very high risk (they only have 50-seaters, one customer, and no contract to go larger).
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 10 Jul 2008, 19:06

I'd absolutely agree on everything said. Quality isn't everything, while Air Wisconsin is great, they're very high risk which is a real shame.
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Post by Jimmyp4 » 11 Jul 2008, 04:22

I'm flying on expressjet branded flights the day before they cease operation. The flight where always empty and there service has been declining over the last year we've been flying on them. THis was not unexpected to me.

Skywest is my personal favorite, and there doing great so i hope they stay for years to come!
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Post by detpilot » 15 Jul 2008, 18:40

Republic is one of the very few regionals I'd leave and go to today, if I were done with classes.
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Post by Aaron Robinson » 15 Jul 2008, 19:07

Sadly, we cursed Republic by praising them.
Republic Airways Holdings will cut 10% of its employees, or 500, "in response to changing market conditions and expected reductions in its small jet contract flying," it said Friday. It said cuts will take place over the next several months and that "a portion will occur through normal attrition." Chairman, President and CEO Bryan Bedford said the reductions "reflect our response to the actions our network partners are taking to reduce the size of their domestic hub operations in light of sustained, high fuel prices. The combined impacts of fewer aircraft flying and lower utilization rates on our smaller jet aircraft are leaving us with no choice but to adjust our business to current market conditions."
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Re: Question about Regionals

Post by nwa1819 » 15 Jul 2008, 19:47

Does anyone know if Mesaba is going to keep there CRJ-200's? Or are they just keeping them untill they get enough CRJ-900's?

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Post by detpilot » 15 Jul 2008, 19:48

Sadly, we cursed Republic by praising them
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 16 Jul 2008, 02:16

nwa1819 wrote:Does anyone know if Mesaba is going to keep there CRJ-200's? Or are they just keeping them untill they get enough CRJ-900's?
I don't know, those are kind of odd cases. I think the plan was for them to go over to Pinnacle but I don't know if that's still the plan.
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