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This is going too far

Posted: 06 Jul 2009, 23:02
by Dennis
You've guessed it

In another free publicity stunt, controversial Ryanair is considering making a standing room for some of its passengers. They'll bring bar stools and charge less for passengers who choose this seating option.

Honestly, this is going a little too far. I can understand the bathroom thing, how flights are very short to justify the removal of them, but make them stand? What about safety? What about hard landings? Turbulence? Medical problems/disabilities? And I was criticizing AA for their cramped A300s.

Why not offer this instead? New York Times
(Guess in which post on the boards this image is also shown.)

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 06 Jul 2009, 23:45
by Jacob Mobley
That is ridiculous. RyanAir is just one of those airlines that just wants to 'slip by' when it comes to passenger safety and comfort inside their aircraft. From what it's looking like right now, as long as they have paying customers, they'll keep bringing up these ridiculous proposals. By the way, do you think the FAA's going to let them go through with this too?

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 00:54
by Dennis
This wouldn't fall under the FAA as the FAA governs only aviation matters in the US. This would fall under EASA rules, which regulates aviation in the European Union (of which Ireland is a member of), and the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) which has jurisdiction over all Irish aviation concerns.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 01:01
by capewellavc
Jacob Mobley wrote:By the way, do you think the FAA's going to let them go through with this too?
Quote of the week!

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 02:52
by Jacob Mobley
capewellavc wrote:
Jacob Mobley wrote:By the way, do you think the FAA's going to let them go through with this too?
Quote of the week!
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:


But doesn't ryanair fly into the US? The FAA's gotta have some kind of problem with this.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 03:09
by Carlo
No it's a Europe-only airline

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 03:16
by Dennis
Jacob Mobley wrote:But doesn't ryanair fly into the US? The FAA's gotta have some kind of problem with this.
You're thinking about Ryan International Airlines (US airline) which has nothing to do with Ryanair (Irish airline) except have a similar name.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 05:55
by Casey
That does it, I am going to fly Emirates from now on. The only airline that offers a seat, bed and shower.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 06:07
by Dennis
Casey wrote:That does it, I am going to fly Emirates from now on. The only airline that offers a seat, bed and shower.
If you can afford it.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 07 Jul 2009, 15:46
by Jacob Mobley
Mr O'Leary also considered introducing a "fat tax" for overweight passengers.
Are you kidding me? A fat tax? If you ask me, thats going to make somebody really ticked off when they find out that they have to pay and extra 30 bucks just because their overweight.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 08 Jul 2009, 01:05
by Tom Alder
Jacob Mobley wrote:
Mr O'Leary also considered introducing a "fat tax" for overweight passengers.
Are you kidding me? A fat tax? If you ask me, thats going to make somebody really ticked off when they find out that they have to pay and extra 30 bucks just because their overweight.
Although, if they travel alot, it may be an incentive to lose a few pounds... :)

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 08 Jul 2009, 01:13
by Aaron Robinson
Dennis wrote:This wouldn't fall under the FAA as the FAA governs only aviation matters in the US. This would fall under EASA rules, which regulates aviation in the European Union (of which Ireland is a member of), and the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) which has jurisdiction over all Irish aviation concerns.
Well done!

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 08 Jul 2009, 02:05
by NWADC9
Fat tax - Charge obese pax an extra seat if they spill over, but I'd leave it at that.
Standing Room Only - Looks like MoL forgot about the pax to cabin crew ratio; more pax = more f/a's = more salaries to pay.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 08 Jul 2009, 06:09
by Northwestdc9
No way in hell this would EVER get past a safety review board with any sense. The linked article in the New York Times would make a lot more sense.

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 08 Jul 2009, 13:55
by Dennis
Well, if Boeing and Ryanair can come up with a safe way to have a standing room section in a plane, who can stop them? After all, despite us criticizing the airline, their traffic (and complaints) is on the rise. I guess it's all up to EASA and IAA. :roll:

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 14 Jul 2009, 08:57
by cpt nick
Thats why I hate Ryanair and prefere their competitor easyjet, hopefully Mr Stellios wont decide to employ something as stupid as standing on on aircraft, whats next? seating on the wing?

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 15 Jul 2009, 01:55
by Delta320
By the way, do you think the FAA's going to let them go through with this too?
I love that! Ryanair is making bad decisions and I don't see them lasting (the decisions)

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 15 Jul 2009, 04:39
by Dennis
cpt nick wrote:whats next?
Flying without actually flying. :winking:

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 18 Jul 2009, 14:35
by Thomas auer
The idea has been researched and thought about a lot actually, going a while back. Japan considered it, on it's short city to city services which pretty much is not different to taking the bus. Myself would never be caught in such a position as that, but honestly, you do get what you pay for. People will pay money for this crap, and the people that do, will not be expecting much, and if they do expect more from a self-professed cheap-skate airline which saves money on not putting seats or basic amenities in their aircraft, they should take a row boat to Dublin instead, because it's not in the fine print, you see what you are paying for, they even advertise this and are proud of their cost cutting, like pioneers of degrading air travel.

I hope this does not go through (will be very surprised if it does), not just because of safety concerns, but because Ryanair or one another evil LCC will eventually want to top that with another safety cut, air travel itself is being degraded a lot by these airlines (not all LCC's, just standouts like Ryanair). What can get lower than no seats! No Cabin or landing lights? Next we will be flying 737's at 5000feet with no air conditioning and no pressurized cabins, with the co-pilot holding a big eveready dolphin torch out the side window. Just so some fat cats can save just a very little bit more on their already massive empires. This of course is disguised by them to seem like they actually want to benefit us with cheaper flights and connections. What a joke! and people will buy into it, even knowing this. I guess thats the thing, money is money, people will be greedy and save that extra $50-100 no matter what.

They are also thinking about this in china even:
DATE:30/06/09
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
China's Spring looks at standing only seats on aircraft
By Leithen Francis


A private airline in China is submitting plans for journeys where passengers can opt to stand to save money.

Spring Airlines first initiated the standing ticket idea earlier this year. It is now considering officially submitting it to the aviation regulator before the year is out.

The airline has been trying to cope with surging passenger numbers and new flight routes, but only has 13 planes.

"The process of plane making is really long," Spring Airlines' Zhang Wuan told China's CCTV.

“We already ordered 14 new jets. But some of them will only be delivered next year.

“And you have to wait for at least five years to lease a plane, and it is also very expensive.”

The standing jet could accommodate 40 per cent more passengers compared to a traditional plane.

It could also help airlines cut 20 per cent of their costs, while lowering airfares for consumers.

“It's just like bar stools. The safety belt is the most important thing. It will still be fastened around the waist,” Mr Wuan said.

The airline would need government backing to go ahead with the plans.

But Spring Airlines president Wang Zhenghua said that he was confident because the idea had been suggested by China's vice premier Zhang Dejiang.

“He suggested that, for a lower price, passengers should be able to get on a plane like catching a bus, with no seat, no luggage consignment, no food, no water, but very convenient,” said Mr Zhenghua.

He added that the company had consulted with Airbus, the company which built most of its aeroplanes, and had been told the proposals were safe.

“So once the government approves it formally, we'll try it,” he said.

related source: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,2 ... 90,00.html
I wish i could find that old post i did about this, maybe it's in simairline.net somewhere, their was even detailed computer generated pictures on how it would look like in Japanese airliners. And it looked ridiculous hehe, kind of looked like standing up bed's with straps (reminiscent of an evil doctors torture bed turned upright), which i assumed are for landing and takeoff phases. Imagine the amount of broken legs and injuries during hard landings, during emergency procedures such as aborted takeoffs, belly landings, these things usually will not be fatal in normal seats. :roll: tsk tsk

Re: This is going too far

Posted: 19 Jul 2009, 07:51
by alma343
cpt nick wrote:Thats why I hate Ryanair and prefere their competitor easyjet, hopefully Mr Stellios wont decide to employ something as stupid as standing on on aircraft, whats next? seating on the wing?
An Newspaper Ad: ''Explore the World like no one before! Take Window Seat for £1.50! Book now Ryanair.com


Ryanair doesnt take any responsibility for any damage!